Want to know how to reduce the state budget by 10-30% and improve education at the same time? Give parents vouchers to send their kids to private schools! For a third of what it costs to educate a kid in a gov't school my kid is going to North Coast Christian School and is getting a far better education than the kids in the gov't schools. If people were offered $1,000-3,000 to take their kids to a private school we would see a mass exodus from the public schools. And just for easy figuring, suppose half of the kids left the public schools with vouchers for half of what it cost to educate them in public schools... The school budget could be reduced by 25%! But parents don't need even half of what the state pays public schools. A voucher for one quarter would work for most parents. But our politicians are more concerned with the union lobby than the overall population. They ignore high cost, low quality education in favor of the unions becuase they're main concern is just getting re-elected. So get rid of politians who kiss up to the unions and elect some who will support vouchers! Then watch us end up with a budget surplus and better students.
I used to be a buy American kind of guy. Anymore, not so much. I'm thinking that I really don't want a car or truck built by guys who won't get fired for doing slack work. I want to support America but I can do that buying a foriegn car too. Foriegn cars pay a lot of tax when they come into this country, just to keep the playing field even... Remember, they could be sold for a lot less but to protect the American auto makers large tariffs are imposed. So if I buy a Toyota, I don't support slackers. I basically pay the gov't directly thru tariffs.
I also write this as a reminder that UAW cars have cost us a lot of money even before the bailouts.
I don't want a union worker building my car. I want my car built by someone who has to make a lot more an effort to keep their job. Same with my kids in school. I want my kids taught by teachers who have to do good work to keep their jobs. Let's face it. Unions are screwing the US through legalized extorion! And this from a guy who is in a labor union.
Thanks Tom. I tried to find an e-mail address for you around your webpages, but, was unable to do so. Its probably there, just not easily identifiable, to me anyway.
Steve might want to space his posts a little further apart to be a bit more convincing and is this the same guy claims to be a member of The Warrenton Planning Commission?
Were you speaking on behalf of the Warrenton Planning Commission on KAST's Coast Watch Call-In the other day?
Aren't you the lead spokesperson for a loose-knit group Warrenton businesses advocating support for the proposed Oregon LNG facility on the Skipanon Peninsula?
I was not speaking on behalf of the Planning Commission. I was speaking, based on my experience, to inform Tom's listeners the way to address a project at the planning commission stage, and to effect the outcome, is to testify on the whether or not the applicant has proven their project meets, or will meet through conditions, the application meets the development code.
Everyone has the right to verbalize or show their opposition or support for a project in any peaceful means. Commissioners all live here and we know on these more contentious issues that emotions are high. However, in the commission meetings testimony about the application in relation to the code is what is relevant.
I'm not a member of any group, for or against, LNG, let alone the lead spokesperson for anything.
I'm not sure who you have me confused with, but, your perception is incorrect.
Good grief. I need to not copy and paste when editing my posts. I butchered the English language in that first paragraph, but, I'm sure you get my drift.
So Steve, how much does "The Public's" testimony, in whose trust you are, in part, doing the "Pulic Business" of, weigh into the deliberation and decision on an issue that comes before Warrenton Planning Commission?
Mr. McGee, a great deal of course. Anyone willing to testify will be heard and given equal consideration. Let me restate that people need to address whether or not an application meets the developement code. That is the decision planning commissions make. This is fact at the planning commission level. We cannot vote yay or nay based on our own personal feelings or the public's about an application. We can only decide if an application meets the code, does not meet the code, or is approved based on conditions placed on the decision to insure the project meets the code.
Mr. McGee I get the feeling that you are putting out bait where there is nothing to catch. I have no biasis on any on the hot bed issues in our county.
Also, please remember we are appointed not elected. We volunteered ourselves to be a citizen's review committe to make sure that applications receive a fair review The staff analyzes an application and presents their findings to us in a public hearing. It is the applicants effort to show their application meets, staff's job to determine if it does, does not or needs conditions and our job to review the entire process.
I still suggest that groups or individuals obtain copies of applications and shape their testimony on that. Relevant testimony is what we seek in a public hearing.
Mr. McGee I get the feeling that you are putting out bait where there is nothing to catch. I have no biasis on any on the hot bed issues in our county.
Also, please remember we are appointed not elected. We volunteered ourselves to be a citizen's review
Sorry Steve but, No baitng here at all and yes, you are appointed to serve in "The Public Trust" as well and our, "The Public's", voice should have as much value in shaping your decision as the statute you must uphold within the balance of reasonable compromise and in the interest, overall, of that "Public".
Steve, \ You certainly need not spend your time explaining things to McGee. He is the guy that runs polls he had admitted to Tom are bogus. So, is he just trying to mislead everyone or are his polls and "conversations" just another route to the self agrandizement he seems to need so much. In any case, no one should pay attention to anything a person like him says. Besides, no one seems to be able to get him to change an opinion, so arguments and explanations are worthless. He is just shooting off his mouth (or keyboard) again as usual.
z"Anonymous said... Steve, \ You certainly need not spend your time explaining things to McGee. He is the guy that runs polls he had admitted to Tom are bogus. So, is he just trying to mislead everyone or are his polls and "conversations" just another route to the self agrandizement he seems to need so much. In any case, no one should pay attention to anything a person like him says. Besides, no one seems to be able to get him to change an opinion, so arguments and explanations are worthless. He is just shooting off his mouth (or keyboard) again as usual."
And you, "Anonym", spend all this rhetoric trying to convince people to not listen to what I say, as if they cannot "Weigh&Consider" what I say on their own.
Want to know how to reduce the state budget by 10-30% and improve education at the same time?
ReplyDeleteGive parents vouchers to send their kids to private schools!
For a third of what it costs to educate a kid in a gov't school my kid is going to North Coast Christian School and is getting a far better education than the kids in the gov't schools.
If people were offered $1,000-3,000 to take their kids to a private school we would see a mass exodus from the public schools.
And just for easy figuring, suppose half of the kids left the public schools with vouchers for half of what it cost to educate them in public schools... The school budget could be reduced by 25%!
But parents don't need even half of what the state pays public schools. A voucher for one quarter would work for most parents.
But our politicians are more concerned with the union lobby than the overall population. They ignore high cost, low quality education in favor of the unions becuase they're main concern is just getting re-elected.
So get rid of politians who kiss up to the unions and elect some who will support vouchers! Then watch us end up with a budget surplus and better students.
I used to be a buy American kind of guy. Anymore, not so much.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking that I really don't want a car or truck built by guys who won't get fired for doing slack work.
I want to support America but I can do that buying a foriegn car too. Foriegn cars pay a lot of tax when they come into this country, just to keep the playing field even... Remember, they could be sold for a lot less but to protect the American auto makers large tariffs are imposed.
So if I buy a Toyota, I don't support slackers. I basically pay the gov't directly thru tariffs.
I also write this as a reminder that UAW cars have cost us a lot of money even before the bailouts.
I don't want a union worker building my car.
ReplyDeleteI want my car built by someone who has to make a lot more an effort to keep their job.
Same with my kids in school.
I want my kids taught by teachers who have to do good work to keep their jobs.
Let's face it. Unions are screwing the US through legalized extorion!
And this from a guy who is in a labor union.
Thanks Tom. I tried to find an e-mail address for you around your webpages, but, was unable to do so. Its probably there, just not easily identifiable, to me anyway.
ReplyDeleteSteve might want to space his posts a little further apart to be a bit more convincing and is this the same guy claims to be a member of The Warrenton Planning Commission?
ReplyDeleteHmmmmm!
Mr. McGee the posts aren't mine.
ReplyDeleteYes, I'm a member of the Warrenton Planning Commission.
Were you speaking on behalf of the Warrenton Planning Commission on KAST's Coast Watch Call-In the other day?
ReplyDeleteAren't you the lead spokesperson for a loose-knit group Warrenton businesses advocating support for the proposed Oregon LNG facility on the Skipanon Peninsula?
I was not speaking on behalf of the Planning Commission. I was speaking, based on my experience, to inform Tom's listeners the way to address a project at the planning commission stage, and to effect the outcome, is to testify on the whether or not the applicant has proven their project meets, or will meet through conditions, the application meets the development code.
ReplyDeleteEveryone has the right to verbalize or show their opposition or support for a project in any peaceful means. Commissioners all live here and we know on these more contentious issues that emotions are high. However, in the commission meetings testimony about the application in relation to the code is what is relevant.
I'm not a member of any group, for or against, LNG, let alone the lead spokesperson for anything.
I'm not sure who you have me confused with, but, your perception is incorrect.
Good grief. I need to not copy and paste when editing my posts. I butchered the English language in that first paragraph, but, I'm sure you get my drift.
ReplyDeleteSo Steve, how much does "The Public's" testimony, in whose trust you are, in part, doing the "Pulic Business" of, weigh into the deliberation and decision on an issue that comes before Warrenton Planning Commission?
ReplyDeleteMr. McGee, a great deal of course. Anyone willing to testify will be heard and given equal consideration. Let me restate that people need to address whether or not an application meets the developement code. That is the decision planning commissions make. This is fact at the planning commission level. We cannot vote yay or nay based on our own personal feelings or the public's about an application. We can only decide if an application meets the code, does not meet the code, or is approved based on conditions placed on the decision to insure the project meets the code.
ReplyDeleteMr. McGee I get the feeling that you are putting out bait where there is nothing to catch. I have no biasis on any on the hot bed issues in our county.
Also, please remember we are appointed not elected. We volunteered ourselves to be a citizen's review committe to make sure that applications receive a fair review The staff analyzes an application and presents their findings to us in a public hearing. It is the applicants effort to show their application meets, staff's job to determine if it does, does not or needs conditions and our job to review the entire process.
I still suggest that groups or individuals obtain copies of applications and shape their testimony on that. Relevant testimony is what we seek in a public hearing.
Mr. McGee I get the feeling that you are putting out bait where there is nothing to catch. I have no biasis on any on the hot bed issues in our county.
ReplyDeleteAlso, please remember we are appointed not elected. We volunteered ourselves to be a citizen's review
Sorry Steve but, No baitng here at all and yes, you are appointed to serve in "The Public Trust" as well and our, "The Public's", voice should have as much value in shaping your decision as the statute you must uphold within the balance of reasonable compromise and in the interest, overall, of that "Public".
Steve, \
ReplyDeleteYou certainly need not spend your time explaining things to McGee. He is the guy that runs polls he had admitted to Tom are bogus. So, is he just trying to mislead everyone or are his polls and "conversations" just another route to the self agrandizement he seems to need so much. In any case, no one should pay attention to anything a person like him says. Besides, no one seems to be able to get him to change an opinion, so arguments and explanations are worthless. He is just shooting off his mouth (or keyboard) again as usual.
z"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteSteve, \
You certainly need not spend your time explaining things to McGee. He is the guy that runs polls he had admitted to Tom are bogus. So, is he just trying to mislead everyone or are his polls and "conversations" just another route to the self agrandizement he seems to need so much. In any case, no one should pay attention to anything a person like him says. Besides, no one seems to be able to get him to change an opinion, so arguments and explanations are worthless. He is just shooting off his mouth (or keyboard) again as usual."
And you, "Anonym", spend all this rhetoric trying to convince people to not listen to what I say, as if they cannot "Weigh&Consider" what I say on their own.