Swiped from Jeff Hazen's Blog:
"I am supportive of the rights of citizens to recall elected officials, however, I believe that the recall system should only be used in cases where illegal acts have occurred. They shouldn't be abused by trying to oust a person based on one issue that they disagree with. People are elected by the majority of voters and the election cycle is the appropriate venue to oust those that they disagree with."
"I believe that the most telling thing about the recall is the fact that the petitioners changed their petition filing the day after the original one was filed. In my case, the county clerk rejected the initial petition due to errors made on it. When she contacted the filers, she also reminded them that by signing the document, they were swearing that the facts that they listed in the petition were true under penalty of law. Lo and behold, they changed the petition and removed everything that they wrote. We all know what the opposite of "truth" is."
http://jeffhazen.blogspot.com/
Jeff Hazen said;"We all know what the opposite of "truth" is."
ReplyDeleteAnd we all know what complying with a recall application process is too, don't we Jeff?
You should be a bit more considerate for their being more realistic in their assessment and reasoning for recalling you don't you think Jeff?
Truth?
Truth is a relative term don't you think Jeff(your truth versus my truth versus Ann Samuelson's truth versus Tom Freel's etc,)?
I wonder what the facts will bring us.
You?
This "recall" is a waste of tax payer money, county resources and the intent of the law. I have noticed this group of malconents appear to have alot of time on their hands. I guess they must be taking time off from their minimum wage jobs to sit in front of the post offices all day?
ReplyDeleteI've taken the opportunity to look at their materials and arguments and found them to be vacuous at best. This group isn't even honest about why they are attempting to recall two commissioners.
The question for me is what does this "anti-lng/recall" crowd really want? It looks as if there will never be an industry, green enough, clean enough, small enough, big enough, productive enough (and so on) for them. Lacking any coherent or cojent arguments, they must then be advocating for continued unemployment and a further depressed economy.
McGee is obviously a relativist... he stands for everything yet stands for nothing. Thats a sad way to go through life.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to add some information and comment about just how popular or not the anti-LNG group is. The Special Election last September, creatively restricted to something akin to --are you for or against pipelines destroying our parks and open space thereby keeping deer and antelope from playing, and destroying our environment for children--only 29% of Clatsop county adults residents voted NO, meaning against LNG pipelines. This is a useful statistic because in the face of an overwhelmingly biased ballot subject, less than 30% of Clatsop county adults voted with the anti-LNG group. Yes, 67% of those who VOTED in this off period election voted with the anti-LNG group, but using that figure as a blanket statement of how all Clatsop county residents think of LNG is ridiculous. But give the anti-LNG group credit for embellishing facts.
ReplyDeleteAs with so many issues, many people just are too busy with their own lives to get involved or even pay attention. But that is starting to change, and rapidly. Witness the Tea Party movement nationwide and locally. The accumulated socialization of energy, health care, and our Constitution is awakening the spirit of our Founding Fathers, who gave us a country and government that, while slow to react sometimes, generally has swung excessive pendulum swings back to something more rational. The environmental movement has gone wild with power in the last twenty years, and this LNG battle is just a local example of how difficult it is to try to create a legal business in a county that truly needs one. The argument that this particular form of energy isn't useful anymore because of the new movement for alternatives etc. is absurd. We need all the energy we can create and find in order to return this economy to a healthy condition again. Efficient energy is absolutely basic to whether or not we have a high employment economy again. The alternative energy sources are anything but efficient; perhaps they will get there in time, but it will take decades for that to occur if it's even possible at all. That's why we need to let the market decide what will work. To limit our energy creation, use and availability by the biased arguments of the few who think they know how best to allocate energy resources for all Americans, is to believe that knowledge is limited to just a few people rather than the decisions of millions.
Notes: Special Election Statistics explanation: County population = 37,000+-; adults over 18 = 75%; therefore, 30,000+- adult population in Clatsop county; 8,255 voted NO; therefore 29% of adults in county voted NO
Desperation breeds silliness doesn't it?
ReplyDeleteCorruprted Polls?
Insults?
Inane and pointless statistics?
Is Hazen/Samuelson's cause losing its footing here?
Has anyone read the Daily Astorian headline from today (31 July 2009)? "Economy tanks, thrift stores rock - Food Banks hustle to feed the hungry."
ReplyDeleteThe "anti-lng/recall" crowd must be all smiles and extremely happy with this type of news. They obviously don't want county residents to have jobs, so more of these types of headlines are the alternative. Good Job "Anti-lng / recall" crowd... your efforts are paying off...
The anti LNG group should actually be called the anti everything group. If you look at the efforts for change over the past several years, the anti LNG people are involved in trying to stop all of them. Now, these people want to recall elected county commissioners because they didn't vote on a single issue item the way the anti everything wanted? How silly can they get? Commissioners and city councils deal with literally hundreds of things each year, all necessary to keep their jurisdictions running. That the anti everything people simply don't want any change at all is no reason to let our communities run into the ground. You all know that if the anti everthing people get their way and our communities deteriorate, none of them will raise their hands and say this is my fault. They will simply blame the government.
ReplyDeleteThis Anonym Said:"They obviously don't want county residents to have jobs, so more of these types of headlines are the alternative. Good Job "Anti-lng / recall" crowd... your efforts are paying off...
ReplyDelete3 to 5 years of "Union Only" temporary jobs backed up by an alleged 30?, 40?, 50?, 60? end jobs that nopbody around these parts is going to qualify for in a process the Natural Gas and Support Industry says the West Coast doesn't need in the overall picture anyway and this is the answer for 37,000 citizens in Clatsop County?
And we don't hold this County Commission to task for not coming up with any better solution than this?
Seems the only one of them with any focus at all in trying to find other answers is Commissioner Dirk Rohne who hasn't dropped the ball on trying to get our rail link to the outside world fixed so we can add that to the potential of Tongue Point to house an Industry that can sustain more that a handfull of our and adjacent county workforce in sustainable, family wage jobs and benefits.
It is easy to talk solutions, but don't blame the County Comissioners for a lack of them!
ReplyDeleteGee, Patrick, as a "newcomer" you just can't remember all of Tongue Point's previous inhabitants....The Naval Base, The Company (can't rememeber the name) that built big oil platforms, Nygaard Logging's wood chipping plant (had to move immediately for some other LARGE incoming industry...which led to the move to Warrenton, so all those log trucks go through Astoria's downtown), proposed shipbreaking (too noisy and dirty) I think there was proposed boat or ship manufacturing and probably a few more that were not quite perfect enough for Astoria.
Has it ever occurred to you that other ports along the River sink our efforts with "grass roots anti everything"? And then reap the benifits that our gullible citizens have opposed-read about all the industries that are at Port Westward (Clatskanie), Kalama, Longview,etc. and now the real bummer: lack of investment and support for the big, big project that Newport was just chosen for. (A BIG THANK YOU TO MR. I KNOW SO MUCH MORE THAN YOU, EDITOR OF THE LOCAL PAPER.)
And, by the way, Mr. Rhone seems quite versed in the price of feed and cows (recently hogging a huge amount of time discussing such during a private meeting with a visiting WA, DC politician....so much so that, a very important, read: Head of the entire Coast Guard, did not get a chance to speak.) Yeah, Patrick, he's really doing us proud!! I heard him brag that all the fishermen are calling to thank him for his LNG vote. How about you other fishermen who feel differently giving him a call? OK, bloggers, or blog readers....let your fishermen friends know that if they disagree with his vote, they should let him know. He may still believe that the entire river will shut down for "GAS" ships....does he believe (or is he afraid of) the anti LNGer's who feed him this stuff.
Back to the Barn, Comissioner